120: SOLID AND SAFE EXPERIMENTATION ENVIRONMENTS WITH TON WESSELING

SLOBODAN "SANI" MANIC
Website Optimisation Consultant, Podcast Host & Keynote Speaker
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In this episode, Ton Wesseling, founder of Online Dialogue and a pivotal figure in the field of conversion rate optimization (CRO), delves into the cultural and organizational elements that foster a thriving environment for optimization experts in the Netherlands.
Ton explains how these factors contribute to a culture that embraces experimentation and learning from mistakes. He shares his journey from building websites at university to falling in love with data and optimization, highlighting the evolution of CRO and the importance of diversity, safe spaces, and the growth mindset in driving innovation.
The episode also touches on the impact of AI in experimentation and the transformative power of sharing knowledge within the digital optimization community.
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